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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptics own podcast

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episode number 612 for the fifth of July

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2020 reach at saunders coming to you

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this week from Sydney Australia which is

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hardly a surprise cuz travel at the

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moment is a bit difficult yeah

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coming up on this week's show somewhere

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I wouldn't mind travelling to at the

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moment Hollywood we talked to James

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Underdown from the center for inquiry

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investigations group in Hollywood he's

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going to tell us about the newly bumped

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up prize for paranormal power now there

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are various prizes around the world for

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any psychic or mystic or healer or

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medium small medium or large who can

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prove their paranormal claims and there

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are thousands upon thousands of people

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around the world claiming paranormal

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power of one degree or another they can

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talk with the dead they can find hidden

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water they can do all sorts of things

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even homeopathy

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well now the prize has been bumped up to

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two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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u.s. which is a lot more than two

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hundred and fifty thousand dollars in

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australia james Underdown will tell us

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about that

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and some of the people the

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investigations group have tested over

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the years following that it's logical

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fallacies with Michelle because Marv

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this week Michelle's going to be look at

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the the fallacy of relative privation

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and to round off this week's show it's

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the book of Tim Tim Mendham with what

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goes around from the pages of the

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skeptic magazine the journal from

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Australian skeptics this week's were

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looking at ghosts and ghouls and that

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sort of thing oh and somewhere in this

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week's episode someone writes a letter

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about a cookbook not sure what that's

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all about we'll find out a bit later on

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now folks I've been enjoying lots of

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online skeptical talks lately I've even

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given a few susan gerbic is particularly

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busy she appeared here in Sydney

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Australia for our Sydney skeptics in the

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pub to give us a talk on Thursday night

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last which meant

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to give her talk so hats off susan

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gerbic well done it's it's weird and you

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know because now everyone's on line to

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give talks and hear talks well sometimes

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you have to get up at weird hours of the

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day or the night or both to the take

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part or listen to talks but it's great

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that they are available and speaking of

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online talks check out the skeptics in

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the pub online from the UK if you go to

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Facebook and just look for skeptics in

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the pub online I'll put a link in this

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week's show notes they have regular

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talks coming out of the UK with a very

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interesting guests indeed with all sorts

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of points of view well if we can't go to

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the pub and enjoy a nice dinner and a

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drink at least we can do the same at

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home and in fact there's a promotion a

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bit later on in the show I played a week

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or two back about enjoying Victorian

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skeptics talks online stay tuned at the

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end of the episode for more

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announcements from me now it's time for

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me to run downstairs have a particularly

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large mug of hot chocolate a good excuse

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for some luxuriating I think all I do

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that I hope you enjoy this skeptics

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now folks for many years the Australian

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skeptics have been offering a $100,000

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any kind under agreed testing conditions

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and this brings me to a recent

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announcement from the Center for inquiry

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investigations group psychic telepathic

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telekinetic prove it and win two hundred

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and fifty thousand dollars for two

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decades the Center for inquiry

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investigations group has offered those

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opportunity to definitively prove their

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testing conditions many have tried but

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no one has successfully passed the CFI

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IG challenge and there is still a parade

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of self professed psychics and mediums

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none have allowed themselves to be truly

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tested so see if I IG is raising the

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prize and bumping it up to two hundred

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joining me now all the way from amazing

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spectacular must be a bit strange these

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days Hollywood

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it's James Underdown from the Center for

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inquiry investigations group hello James

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hi Richard good to talk to you yeah it's

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good to see you too I don't think we've

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seen each other for a while we usually

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made up at these conferences and

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meetings don't we yeah uh seems like Las

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but you get to LA every now and then no

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don't you every now and then I don't

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America has become the pariah of all

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countries and in terms of travel yeah

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who knows yeah I must admit it's not

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looking too good at the moment but let's

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talk about some other things to try and

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take people's minds off the current

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calamity tell me about the

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investigations group when did it start

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why did it start and what do you do we

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January of 2000 so were four just were

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20 and a half as of this recording and

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you know the idea of it was the people I

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I started the group but I brought people

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in who were big fans of James Randi big

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fans of Joe Nickell big fans a skeptical

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inquirer and we were interested in all

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this stuff and we thought well you know

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we have all these talented individuals

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right here in Los Angeles why don't we

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poke around a little bit into some of

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these claims and and see what's doing

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yeah I mean and this is being a whole

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mock from script of skeptical

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organizations if I think about even here

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Randi came here and he and with some

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Australian businessman at the time were

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offering a large cash prize for water

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divining water dowsing in that case

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so how long right has the has there been

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a cash prize associated with what you're

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doing well we started in our early days

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long time so that was all based on our

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personal bank accounts and I'll tell you

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when you got skin in the game you make

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sure those test protocols are print as

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if I don't now but you know still em and

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then you know I've been with the Center

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for inquiry since 99 since even before

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negotiations about CFI taking on some of

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a CEO of CF is too many previous yeah

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teaming up and I thought were you know

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board of directors and to open it to a

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quarter million especially since you

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know Randy and jf really haven't tested

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anyone in quite some time and so you

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this is I think it's the biggest prize

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single prize in the world right now so

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six figures to attempt all the claimants

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sounds good and it didn't occur to me

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until you said it a quarter of a million

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dollars that's a good sound isn't it

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yeah yeah it's I tried to teach myself

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to say it that way instead of 250 once

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you get that million its word in there

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open some eyes yeah yeah it's got that

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catch it's a wonderful thing maybe I can

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convince the locals here and Australia

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to uh pals to a quarter of a million

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Australian isn't quite the same there's

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a quarter of a million you asked us our

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dollars not so good it's still been

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cashed though and you know it'd still be

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cash now of course you've been involved

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group for the cash prize over the years

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memorable ones that stand out and I'll

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jump in here quickly and I noticed on

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your web page which is see if I I G dog

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there's even a mention of you testing

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the power balance wristband that is one

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of the more notable ones because we had

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a an Olympic gymnast Dominique Dawes was

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they called us up and they said you know

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we heard about your work and what do you

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think about some of these athletic

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things and we said you know I'd love the

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test through a double-blind test of

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power balance bracelets and so we set up

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this obstacle course that that tested

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it's three basic claims strength ad not

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agility but flexibility and flexibility

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is a speed or something like that

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flexibility that's what it was balance

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strength balance flexibility so we had a

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we designed this little obstacle course

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in the Center for inquiry at our old

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location on Hollywood Boulevard and ran

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16 people through this course

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different wristband on and they never

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and the real power balance bracelet on

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or right or the three fake ones and and

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then we had to do we had to correct for

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what was it called the the order of fact

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it's called because when you do

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something athletic like that for the

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first time naturally just get better the

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more times you do it you get a little

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bit better at it so we made sure that

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people were staggered in different

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orders so that all sort of evened out

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and then surprise surprise there was no

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difference between the real power

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balance bracelet and and the other ones

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we were watching you guys and you and

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you had some legal success with them

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didn't you they have to change their

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claims yeah yeah after it was just one

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of those you know amazing things that

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a standard double-blind test it was

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nothing too amazing about it but when

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they failed that eventually the pressure

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was put upon them to print a retraction

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in the media here to say that the claims

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that they made were without foundation

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which was great for us you know it was

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good but I went when I did it when I

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tested the guy here in Australia I I was

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under the impression that he was a true

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believer he really did believe in the

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product for anything about that stuff is

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you know if they just make a very claim

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like this can help with athletic

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performance

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it actually can but no more than a Lucky

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Penny or a rabbit's foot or anything

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like that if you have a psychological

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advantage that it could help but you

288
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know double-blind tells the tale and

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that didn't help in that case no it did

290
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not

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hell

292
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lightning man what's that all about I

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think I can correct me if I'm wrong

294
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maybe you guys have done this before but

295
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I think it may be the first time anyone

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has been tested for a cash pair

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prize during a pandemic and must be true

298
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we haven't done it I don't you know

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that's I I don't think that's gonna make

300
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the Guinness Book of Records but it

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sounds funny to me but yeah this guy

302
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showed up he said he that he could make

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electricity come out of his hands

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noticeably he said he could create

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lightning in the sky above the Center

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for inquiry so I want League went and

307
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checked the weather report for the

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Saturday that we had him over and and

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then finally he said he could teleport

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three to five feet at at one time and so

311
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we did a social distancing paranormal

312
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chair that now they are some amazing

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claims I must admit

314
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teleporting is one we haven't tested

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well yeah and I you know yeah kind of

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after he said before he got there I said

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you know tell me a little bit more about

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this and he said he can move three to

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five feet at a time and III said are you

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jumping is there a you know in my mind

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teleportation is you actually disappear

322
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from once and reappear in another spot

323
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is that what's happening and he said

324
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well yeah but I have to be moving when I

325
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do this and I said the moving isn't part

326
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of it is it and I mean the funny thing

327
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well it's actually not funny because I I

328
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think he might be a little mentally ill

329
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he thinks he did it okay and he thinks

330
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he that the Lightning came out of his

331
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hands and was in the sky and all this

332
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stuff and he asked us if we saw it and I

333
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said no we didn't do you want to see we

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can run the video back you know would

335
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that convince you that it didn't happen

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you know if it in order to win our money

337
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we have to see it it can't just be you

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that sees it

339
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so you know we get in these delicate

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situations where people really are

341
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sometimes experiencing symptoms of

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schizophrenia or other disorders where

343
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they're hearing and seeing things that

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no one else is and we have to tell them

345
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:04,140
you know you have to consider that this

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is maybe what's causing your experiences

347
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yeah and it's a tough part about doing

348
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these paranormal tests as you and I both

349
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know over the years and years we've been

350
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doing it occasionally we'll get somebody

351
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who come along and it's not trying to

352
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put them down or make excuses or

353
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anything like that but not everybody who

354
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applies for our tests are in a very good

355
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state of mind if I can put it that way

356
00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:30,899
yeah I mean that is that's a nice way of

357
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putting it and I don't know if it's my

358
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imagination or not but it seems like

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over maybe even the past year certainly

360
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the last six months the percentage of

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people who seem to be experiencing

362
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symptoms consistent with mental illness

363
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seems to be very high percentage of them

364
00:17:59,810 --> 00:17:56,820
back in the day one both of our groups

365
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we're testing dowsers don't seem to fall

366
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into this category and there are other

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people who you know seem to just be

368
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regular people who are you know making

369
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categorical errors or logical errors and

370
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they're not understanding what's

371
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happening but over the last six months

372
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or a year it seems like a high

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percentage of people who are hearing

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voices or who are convinced that other

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people are hearing their thoughts yeah

376
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yeah and and again it's just something

377
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that a lot of people the general public

378
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may not consider that that's something

379
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that we have to seriously look at and

380
00:18:38,659 --> 00:18:36,090
and decide what to do if someone comes

381
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along which who is obviously um shall we

382
00:18:44,810 --> 00:18:42,270
say troubled oh and take it accordingly

383
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yeah and and we'll test you anyway I

384
00:18:52,370 --> 00:18:47,610
mean I don't you know you could make the

385
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argument that your mind has to be in a

386
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certain state to perform

387
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a paranormal feed that theoretically

388
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:02,610
could be the case so we're not going to

389
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eliminate you based on that I we just

390
00:19:13,580 --> 00:19:10,290
encourage people to sort of eliminate

391
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that set of explanations and save

392
00:19:17,390 --> 00:19:15,660
themselves the trouble and potential

393
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embarrassment of being tested and

394
00:19:22,940 --> 00:19:20,220
failing yeah because you know we're of a

395
00:19:25,549 --> 00:19:22,950
similar mind we're not out to embarrass

396
00:19:29,260 --> 00:19:25,559
or demean or humiliate anybody you know

397
00:19:31,580 --> 00:19:29,270
this is a genuine attempt to to see what

398
00:19:35,090 --> 00:19:31,590
what the claims are and if people can

399
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live up to them right the the other one

400
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I'll get you to talk about briefly is is

401
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an evergreen and it was just a wonderful

402
00:19:43,940 --> 00:19:42,360
thing I wish I could have been there is

403
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:43,950
when you tested the curvature of the

404
00:19:49,250 --> 00:19:46,650
earth I'll tell you I don't know what

405
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:49,260
maybe I'm getting too old for this but

406
00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:55,290
my patience is that's my test is keeping

407
00:20:01,370 --> 00:19:58,400
my head yeah we went out there's a

408
00:20:07,549 --> 00:20:01,380
fairly large body of water called the

409
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Salton Sea that's 150 miles southeast of

410
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Los Angeles it's actually a kind of a

411
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drank nasty extremely salty body of

412
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water

413
00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:19,890
um but we chose it because there were a

414
00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:24,510
lot of clear sight lines when the desert

415
00:20:28,669 --> 00:20:26,910
is it's in the desert when the desert is

416
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calm and the wind is not blowing the air

417
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:30,870
quality is pretty good and then the

418
00:20:35,780 --> 00:20:33,330
temperatures are pretty consistent so

419
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:35,790
there were a lot of good reasons to to

420
00:20:40,490 --> 00:20:37,890
go out there and the distances were

421
00:20:43,549 --> 00:20:40,500
about right we chose a spot from shore

422
00:20:49,660 --> 00:20:43,559
to shore there was about nine and a half

423
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miles across and at that distance you

424
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:52,890
would expect to have to put something

425
00:21:01,070 --> 00:20:57,090
about 30 to 40 feet in the air before

426
00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:01,080
someone with a telescope would be able

427
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:03,660
to see that object the curvature would

428
00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:07,440
cover the first 30 or 40 feet on the

429
00:21:12,290 --> 00:21:08,700
other side

430
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:12,300
so you know we sort of line this

431
00:21:16,190 --> 00:21:14,250
demonstration up with a bunch of flat

432
00:21:19,910 --> 00:21:16,200
earthers of which there are plenty in

433
00:21:24,140 --> 00:21:19,920
Southern California and National

434
00:21:27,020 --> 00:21:24,150
Geographic Explorer television show came

435
00:21:30,260 --> 00:21:27,030
out and we conducted that shore to shore

436
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:30,270
experiment and we also did another one

437
00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:32,850
that was a boat based experiment where

438
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:37,380
we sent a small motorized boat

439
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:41,280
rubber raft out with a sort of a big

440
00:21:48,110 --> 00:21:45,210
flag that had horizontal stripes on it

441
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:48,120
and you could the idea was that you know

442
00:21:56,300 --> 00:21:50,730
the farther out they got the more of the

443
00:21:59,240 --> 00:21:56,310
stripes or stripe would disappear and so

444
00:22:01,160 --> 00:21:59,250
yeah there were like 15 of us and 20

445
00:22:03,710 --> 00:22:01,170
flat earthers out there and National

446
00:22:08,090 --> 00:22:03,720
Geographic and they saw pretty much

447
00:22:10,910 --> 00:22:08,100
everything we saw and it I'll tell you

448
00:22:12,050 --> 00:22:10,920
it's it's I mean we bought any one

449
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:12,060
science-minded

450
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:14,690
has no doubt that the earth is a sphere

451
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:18,210
but to some of these tests and

452
00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:23,010
demonstrations of the earth shape are

453
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:26,760
fraught with potential perils for

454
00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:31,440
instance the balloon target that we were

455
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:35,510
launching on one side of the Salton Sea

456
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:38,250
even a little bit of breeze was blowing

457
00:22:44,750 --> 00:22:41,970
this thing so it wanted to you know sort

458
00:22:46,460 --> 00:22:44,760
of fly sideways and it was making it

459
00:22:50,860 --> 00:22:46,470
hard to control and it was hard to

460
00:22:58,550 --> 00:22:50,870
measure and even finding the thing at

461
00:23:01,160 --> 00:22:58,560
9.6 miles away was a difficult chore so

462
00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:01,170
that was one of it and you know if the

463
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:03,480
water gets a little choppy and that

464
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:05,930
doesn't even count some of these other

465
00:23:11,630 --> 00:23:08,720
you know atmospheric condition issues

466
00:23:15,740 --> 00:23:11,640
that arise anyone who's ever seen a

467
00:23:17,660 --> 00:23:15,750
mirage or you know reflection it looks

468
00:23:19,610 --> 00:23:17,670
like water on the horizon or anything

469
00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:19,620
like that you know if you're getting

470
00:23:27,169 --> 00:23:22,470
different temperatures but

471
00:23:30,140 --> 00:23:27,179
err layers it can actually bend light

472
00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:30,150
over distance and that's what a mirage

473
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:32,039
is you know you're seeing something that

474
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:35,760
is should be too far away to see like

475
00:23:42,919 --> 00:23:38,400
that but you're seeing a reflection and

476
00:23:45,409 --> 00:23:42,929
an air layer so anyway it's it's it's

477
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,419
it's harder than it seems to prove

478
00:23:49,940 --> 00:23:48,240
something obvious like that well you're

479
00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:49,950
absolutely right because this is what we

480
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:52,049
came across here in Australia we come

481
00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:53,520
across this when we're testing people I

482
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,240
remembered in Las Vegas the time and the

483
00:24:02,210 --> 00:23:59,520
effort and the planning and the

484
00:24:04,669 --> 00:24:02,220
cooperation who have who is making the

485
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:04,679
claim it all takes an enormous amount of

486
00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:06,450
time and I guess people really couldn't

487
00:24:09,620 --> 00:24:08,280
really don't think about that because

488
00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:09,630
it's not something they would normally

489
00:24:14,419 --> 00:24:12,360
do right and and and some of these

490
00:24:17,299 --> 00:24:14,429
things I mean there was one test we

491
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:17,309
tested this woman it was a I think you

492
00:24:23,899 --> 00:24:20,250
know of her anita i conan it was a

493
00:24:26,779 --> 00:24:23,909
swedish national because I think Randy

494
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:26,789
might have done a quick test with her or

495
00:24:31,940 --> 00:24:30,450
something but Rob her claim was being

496
00:24:36,020 --> 00:24:31,950
able that she said that she could look

497
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:36,030
into a human being and see if they were

498
00:24:43,070 --> 00:24:40,080
missing a kidney or not yes I remember

499
00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:43,080
yes so we had to I mean it became

500
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:45,900
extraordinary complex we first of all we

501
00:24:51,860 --> 00:24:48,900
had to find four people who were missing

502
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,870
a kidney and not only did we have to

503
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:53,520
find four people who were missing a

504
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,890
kidney and and you know try to Google

505
00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:58,320
that try to go to a hospital and say can

506
00:25:03,980 --> 00:24:59,820
we have some of your people who are

507
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:03,990
missing kidneys you know not only do we

508
00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:05,970
have to find four people who were

509
00:25:10,460 --> 00:25:07,860
missing kidneys three for the actual

510
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:10,470
test and one to demonstrate that she

511
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:14,570
actually had the power beforehand and

512
00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:17,460
but we also had to find people who were

513
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:23,880
missing their left kidneys good

514
00:25:31,220 --> 00:25:27,000
agreement yeah missing their know

515
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:31,230
missing their right kidney because most

516
00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:35,250
people who donate a kidney donate the

517
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:36,600
left

518
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:40,320
it's easier to operate and pull out a

519
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:43,410
left kidney for various medical reasons

520
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:46,770
and that's common knowledge in the

521
00:25:54,140 --> 00:25:49,050
medical we found we learned ahead of

522
00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:54,150
time fortunately that so I'm everyone

523
00:25:59,720 --> 00:25:57,510
who donates a kidney on purpose donates

524
00:26:01,280 --> 00:25:59,730
their left kidney and forgive me if I

525
00:26:03,170 --> 00:26:01,290
get this backwards but I'm pretty sure

526
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:03,180
it's a left one cuz your livers on the

527
00:26:07,220 --> 00:26:04,770
right side and there's other stuff in

528
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:07,230
there it's it's just more difficult so

529
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:11,370
we figured that that she knew that fact

530
00:26:16,580 --> 00:26:14,880
and would guess left kidney every time

531
00:26:18,620 --> 00:26:16,590
so we're trying to find right kidney

532
00:26:22,670 --> 00:26:18,630
people missing right kidney so that was

533
00:26:25,370 --> 00:26:22,680
part of it that we had to find let's see

534
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:25,380
there was one person missing a kidney in

535
00:26:32,180 --> 00:26:28,050
each group of six so we still we had to

536
00:26:35,660 --> 00:26:32,190
find fifteen more people beyond the four

537
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:35,670
missing many people then in order to

538
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:39,900
verify this we had to get we had to get

539
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:42,720
an ultrasound machine at to the Center

540
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:45,930
for inquiry and attack to be able to run

541
00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:49,440
the ultrasound machine will have which

542
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:51,240
all cost money

543
00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:53,370
we had to serve lunch I mean it took

544
00:27:00,380 --> 00:26:58,530
like 30 people to run this test and it's

545
00:27:02,750 --> 00:27:00,390
not a simple thing it's just not a

546
00:27:06,170 --> 00:27:02,760
simple thing no it's it's crazy and and

547
00:27:08,270 --> 00:27:06,180
for stuff like that we don't pay for the

548
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:08,280
applicants that we don't pay for their

549
00:27:16,910 --> 00:27:12,090
travel or anything and when their their

550
00:27:19,610 --> 00:27:16,920
alleged ability involves front money and

551
00:27:21,860 --> 00:27:19,620
hiring people and all this other stuff

552
00:27:24,110 --> 00:27:21,870
they have to pay for that and she

553
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:24,120
fronted the money would to her credit oh

554
00:27:30,620 --> 00:27:28,110
wow and it's the same situation here in

555
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,630
Australia the claimant bears the costs

556
00:27:34,550 --> 00:27:33,120
of any any test which is we think is

557
00:27:38,150 --> 00:27:34,560
fair enough because if they're genuine

558
00:27:39,980 --> 00:27:38,160
they're gonna make many more dollars

559
00:27:42,260 --> 00:27:39,990
back then they they put into it in the

560
00:27:45,050 --> 00:27:42,270
first place and finally with the the

561
00:27:47,060 --> 00:27:45,060
flat earthers and so on you must have as

562
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:47,070
we do here you must have heard some

563
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:48,930
pretty amazing

564
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:52,930
excuses and reasons why they fail yeah I

565
00:27:59,040 --> 00:27:56,410
have this which I think we might even

566
00:28:02,130 --> 00:27:59,050
have a physical copy of it somewhere but

567
00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:02,140
I have this at least an informal what I

568
00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:06,070
call the big book of excuses and I know

569
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:08,230
you guys have heard this one but one of

570
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:11,170
the more common ones is too much

571
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:16,330
skeptical energy in the room yep um so

572
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:20,770
that was that was a new one every time

573
00:28:29,580 --> 00:28:25,690
one guy was doing a he said he could

574
00:28:33,270 --> 00:28:29,590
predict a binary outcome so in this case

575
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:33,280
it wasn't a coin flip it was actually we

576
00:28:39,930 --> 00:28:38,320
had a regular six-sided die and three of

577
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:39,940
the sides were orange and three of the

578
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:43,330
sides were black so he said he could

579
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:46,480
predict which side would come up I think

580
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:52,090
it was 53% of the time which Jay diamond

581
00:28:57,420 --> 00:28:54,730
cousin jeigh diamond from the San

582
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:57,430
Francisco group called worst superpower

583
00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:01,840
ever I think if you could predict the

584
00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:03,640
coin from their points they're you know

585
00:29:08,610 --> 00:29:05,590
fifty three out of a hundred times

586
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:08,620
Jesus how you gonna monetize that that's

587
00:29:13,170 --> 00:29:09,520
pathetic

588
00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:13,180
but you know if the number of rolls is

589
00:29:19,230 --> 00:29:16,150
large enough and we had to you know get

590
00:29:21,030 --> 00:29:19,240
our statisticians working on that it

591
00:29:25,050 --> 00:29:21,040
could still be significant even though

592
00:29:27,870 --> 00:29:25,060
it sounds kind of silly yeah I think he

593
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:27,880
saw that would take a long time yeah it

594
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:30,130
did it took all afternoon and was

595
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:32,410
extremely tedious we made a video of it

596
00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:34,690
but boy Vlada

597
00:29:40,730 --> 00:29:36,520
ended up on the editing room floor and

598
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:40,740
that one and his excuse was that he

599
00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:44,530
didn't practice with the type of jar we

600
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:48,520
were using or something I don't know oh

601
00:29:54,420 --> 00:29:50,530
there you go you see you should have

602
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:54,430
used the other job well talk about weird

603
00:29:58,770 --> 00:29:55,810
things that happen that you can't

604
00:30:02,370 --> 00:29:58,780
predict we actually we had like a big

605
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:02,380
pickle jar that wheelers shaking the

606
00:30:07,499 --> 00:30:05,049
and you know because you don't want has

607
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:07,509
to touch it because we could be cheating

608
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:10,809
so we're shaking in a rain in the pickle

609
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:13,809
jar and the damn thing broke who could

610
00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:15,490
have predicted a die could break a

611
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,710
prickle joke so you never know anyway so

612
00:30:24,629 --> 00:30:23,200
Jim the message for people out there in

613
00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:24,639
the United States I think it's in the

614
00:30:28,769 --> 00:30:26,470
United States I mean now out prizes

615
00:30:30,419 --> 00:30:28,779
really for Australians I imagine yours

616
00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:30,429
is for the people in the United States

617
00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:33,070
or as your prize worldwide it is

618
00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:36,940
worldwide we tested a guy who over the

619
00:30:44,850 --> 00:30:41,590
internet from Macedonia last year he

620
00:30:47,730 --> 00:30:44,860
said he said he could look at a picture

621
00:30:50,610 --> 00:30:47,740
so we did a Skype call he said he could

622
00:30:52,619 --> 00:30:50,620
look at a picture on skype and decide

623
00:30:55,529 --> 00:30:52,629
whether this person was living or dead

624
00:31:00,779 --> 00:30:55,539
right and I think he was using a

625
00:31:03,649 --> 00:31:00,789
pendulum to do okay and he got he looked

626
00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:03,659
at twenty pictures and he got 11 right

627
00:31:10,889 --> 00:31:07,870
there you go well so it's a worldwide

628
00:31:13,139 --> 00:31:10,899
prize folks if you're interested if you

629
00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:13,149
think you have psychic powers or

630
00:31:19,649 --> 00:31:16,990
abilities or or you know somebody who

631
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:19,659
does and if you do know somebody who

632
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:21,370
does and they win the prize you're in

633
00:31:26,999 --> 00:31:24,610
line for what five grand yourself $5,000

634
00:31:29,639 --> 00:31:27,009
finder's fee that's right so put the

635
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:29,649
heat on your your neighbor who's

636
00:31:34,409 --> 00:31:31,570
claiming to have these powers you could

637
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:34,419
get some money to almost free money

638
00:31:41,639 --> 00:31:40,090
folks head to CFI IG org all the details

639
00:31:45,930 --> 00:31:41,649
are there and you can read some accounts

640
00:31:49,889 --> 00:31:45,940
of some of the past tests of alleged

641
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:49,899
paranormal or psychic ability well James

642
00:31:51,659 --> 00:31:51,250
Underdown all the way over there in

643
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:51,669
Hollywood

644
00:31:56,940 --> 00:31:54,370
one day maybe we can get together again

645
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,950
in Los Angeles or California somewhere

646
00:32:00,779 --> 00:31:58,960
or even Las Vegas when all this

647
00:32:03,779 --> 00:32:00,789
craziness is over

648
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:03,789
but until then thanks very much thank

649
00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:06,130
you Richard

650
00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:17,860
I sure do miss going to those skeptical

651
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:20,350
meetings and pubs and cafes to hear

652
00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:22,570
talks and interact with my friends you

653
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:29,590
know well I think I could help you with

654
00:32:37,260 --> 00:32:34,000
that who the hell are you

655
00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:37,270
I'm your skeptical fairy godmother angel

656
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,150
from the internet you're my skeptical go

657
00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:43,360
that whoa relax Richard I can make your

658
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:44,740
wish come true

659
00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:48,850
what you mean free beer

660
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:56,260
no no no the other way oh really yes I

661
00:33:00,720 --> 00:32:57,490
have news

662
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:00,730
skeptical meetings and talks online oh

663
00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:05,200
oh oh yes of course yes skeptics cafe

664
00:33:10,649 --> 00:33:07,929
online by the Vic skeptics brings you

665
00:33:11,390 --> 00:33:10,659
live and interactive skeptical talks via

666
00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:11,400
soon

667
00:33:16,980 --> 00:33:14,830
anyone anywhere in the world is welcome

668
00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:16,990
to join in on the third Monday of the

669
00:33:21,779 --> 00:33:19,630
month just check out the skeptics cafe

670
00:33:25,610 --> 00:33:21,789
page on Facebook to see when the next

671
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:25,620
talk is and who will be presenting

672
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:28,510
alternatively see the big skeptics

673
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:31,049
website at fix skeptics dot

674
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:33,610
wordpress.com for details

675
00:33:41,490 --> 00:33:37,530
that sounds great a skeptical God very

676
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:41,500
angel mother and person and there are

677
00:33:47,070 --> 00:33:44,650
similar skeptical online talks happening

678
00:33:50,250 --> 00:33:47,080
around the country and all over the

679
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:50,260
world all you need to do is search for

680
00:33:56,250 --> 00:33:52,000
them Wow

681
00:34:03,659 --> 00:33:56,260
now just one more question yes what

682
00:34:08,190 --> 00:34:03,669
about the beer okay alright well just

683
00:34:11,609 --> 00:34:08,200
for you I'll make it so you can go to

684
00:34:14,070 --> 00:34:11,619
the supermarket buy what ever beer you

685
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,080
like and drink it while watching the

686
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:16,720
talk online at home and they say

687
00:34:21,540 --> 00:34:18,310
miracles never have

688
00:34:24,899 --> 00:34:21,550
and to think I gave up being the tooth

689
00:34:31,479 --> 00:34:24,909
fairy for this what nothing

690
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:50,270
[Music]

691
00:34:54,990 --> 00:34:52,210
logical fallacies

692
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:55,000
[Music]

693
00:35:00,190 --> 00:34:58,130
what are the logical fallacies and why

694
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:00,200
is it important that critical thinkers

695
00:35:05,220 --> 00:35:02,530
should know about them

696
00:35:08,250 --> 00:35:05,230
a logical fallacy is an error we can

697
00:35:10,530 --> 00:35:08,260
make in reasoning but it usually crops

698
00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:10,540
up when we are discussing or arguing our

699
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,260
point of view some people might even

700
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,720
knowingly use them to try and score

701
00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:18,400
cheap points in an argument

702
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,300
due to intellectual laziness they are

703
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:24,880
traps we can fall into but if we know

704
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:27,130
what to look out for we can spot them

705
00:35:35,460 --> 00:35:29,410
when they occur and stop ourselves from

706
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:35,470
using them this time we'll look at the

707
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:39,130
relative privation fallacy this fallacy

708
00:35:46,860 --> 00:35:43,570
also known as not as bad as can be seen

709
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:46,870
as a type of red herring or distraction

710
00:35:52,170 --> 00:35:49,510
the fallacy is essentially an argument

711
00:35:54,330 --> 00:35:52,180
that the certain issue is not important

712
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:54,340
or does not deserve attention and

713
00:36:00,420 --> 00:35:57,010
resources because there are other and

714
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:00,430
more important issues another variation

715
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:03,760
of the relative privation fallacy is to

716
00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:06,640
compare something with the best or the

717
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:10,150
worst case scenario thus making it seem

718
00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:14,110
much better or worse by comparison as a

719
00:36:19,350 --> 00:36:16,990
naturopath I can tell you that mistakes

720
00:36:22,050 --> 00:36:19,360
are sometimes made by practitioners of

721
00:36:24,030 --> 00:36:22,060
alternative medicine but that is nothing

722
00:36:26,970 --> 00:36:24,040
compared to the thousands of mistakes

723
00:36:30,750 --> 00:36:26,980
and deaths each year due to mainstream

724
00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:30,760
medicine that people die under the care

725
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:34,200
of mainstream medicine is not in doubt

726
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:37,510
but keep in mind that what mainstream

727
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:40,690
medicine does is to look after millions

728
00:36:48,030 --> 00:36:44,290
of people who range from being mildly

729
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:48,040
unwell to very unwell to being

730
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:53,290
critically unwell yes it's not a perfect

731
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:57,610
system but that does not justify nor

732
00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:00,640
diminish the mistakes made by so-called

733
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:03,700
alternative medicine why should we

734
00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:06,010
bother doing something in Australia for

735
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,590
climate change in the environment when

736
00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:10,960
China and other countries are much

737
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:13,750
bigger polluters it may well be that

738
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,330
other countries contribute a much

739
00:37:22,590 --> 00:37:18,880
volume of greenhouse gasses or other

740
00:37:26,850 --> 00:37:22,600
pollutants in Australia that is no

741
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:26,860
reason at all for Australia especially

742
00:37:32,970 --> 00:37:28,810
as one of the highest polluters per

743
00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:32,980
capita if not as a total amount or any

744
00:37:37,890 --> 00:37:35,320
other country to give up doing

745
00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:37,900
everything we can to combat this

746
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:42,520
worldwide problem if every country gave

747
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:45,310
up using the above argument as a

748
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:48,610
justification the situation would be

749
00:37:54,570 --> 00:37:52,930
much much worse you skeptics have been

750
00:37:58,110 --> 00:37:54,580
trying to debunk two silly things like

751
00:38:00,900 --> 00:37:58,120
UFOs and psychics for years and people

752
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:00,910
still believe in them you should give up

753
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:03,210
and put your time and efforts into being

754
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:05,970
skeptical of far more important issues

755
00:38:12,330 --> 00:38:09,010
this is an argument sceptical groups

756
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:12,340
here from time to time that some people

757
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:15,130
don't find investigating UFOs or

758
00:38:21,870 --> 00:38:18,130
homeopathy or psychics of interest is

759
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,880
fine but that doesn't mean sceptical

760
00:38:27,150 --> 00:38:23,680
groups should suddenly change their

761
00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:27,160
focus we wouldn't expect the local chess

762
00:38:32,070 --> 00:38:29,950
club to give up chess just because

763
00:38:36,660 --> 00:38:32,080
someone thinks backgammon is a better

764
00:38:39,180 --> 00:38:36,670
game the implication is that you cannot

765
00:38:42,030 --> 00:38:39,190
be real skeptics as you are not

766
00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:42,040
skeptical of what I am skeptical of and

767
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:45,550
what I am sceptical of is more important

768
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:48,900
than what you are skeptical of

769
00:38:58,180 --> 00:38:55,330
the relative privation fallacy can

770
00:39:00,730 --> 00:38:58,190
easily take you away from the argument

771
00:39:04,930 --> 00:39:00,740
in hand and have you wasting your time

772
00:39:08,890 --> 00:39:04,940
down some rabbit hole try to keep your

773
00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:08,900
opponent and yourself to the topic in

774
00:39:17,830 --> 00:39:15,230
question knowing a logical fallacy when

775
00:39:20,530 --> 00:39:17,840
you hear one and even knowing its name

776
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:20,540
is important when arguing your point of

777
00:39:24,340 --> 00:39:21,370
view

778
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:24,350
however you may come across as arrogant

779
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:27,680
and not get very far if you call it out

780
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:30,410
by name to your opponent when you hear

781
00:39:37,540 --> 00:39:34,610
it being used if your opponent calls you

782
00:39:40,830 --> 00:39:37,550
out for using one it's time to stop and

783
00:39:43,410 --> 00:39:40,840
think about how you are making your case

784
00:39:47,170 --> 00:39:43,420
use your knowledge of logical fallacies

785
00:39:49,810 --> 00:39:47,180
wisely and remember that even if your

786
00:39:52,660 --> 00:39:49,820
point of view is right and you know all

787
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:52,670
the pitfalls in arguing your case it

788
00:39:58,780 --> 00:39:55,010
doesn't always mean you'll win on the

789
00:40:02,030 --> 00:39:58,790
day and a skeptics we must also remember

790
00:40:03,930 --> 00:40:02,040
that we too can be wrong at times

791
00:40:06,850 --> 00:40:03,940
[Music]

792
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:06,860
I'm shale because my from the Vick

793
00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:22,200
oh the skeptic zone there there's a

794
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:23,950
bunch of funky crew everyone who

795
00:40:27,540 --> 00:40:25,330
listened to the skeptic zone is a

796
00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:27,550
serious funk stir well there'll be some

797
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:29,950
fun going on next Friday night at 8:30

798
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:34,450
at Sydney time that's a 10:30 UTC which

799
00:40:39,810 --> 00:40:38,170
means all current timecode i think but

800
00:40:40,890 --> 00:40:39,820
never we having the one-man mad club

801
00:40:42,990 --> 00:40:40,900
that's why they'll be jumping around and

802
00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:43,000
leaping around and our studio engineer

803
00:40:45,630 --> 00:40:45,220
for the entire thing will be Richard

804
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:45,640
Saunders

805
00:40:49,410 --> 00:40:47,710
so the show's gonna be a complete

806
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:49,420
disaster so why not watch it we do it

807
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:51,610
live at that time I told you earlier

808
00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:54,370
hunter the donkey code time and I'll be

809
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:55,630
very Bobby jumping around off with

810
00:41:01,020 --> 00:40:58,450
playing stuff and it's it's easy to find

811
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:01,030
because it's all on it's on my Mixcloud

812
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:05,410
basically it's Mixcloud calm /live 4 /

813
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:07,930
DJ main art but hey that's too hard just

814
00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:10,690
go to Maynard comm dot ru and they'll be

815
00:41:14,910 --> 00:41:12,520
a link to it there you probably won't

816
00:41:16,170 --> 00:41:14,920
see Richard but you might not see me

817
00:41:18,210 --> 00:41:16,180
either because he'll be in traffic to

818
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the vision and the audio and you're over

819
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here with this show like skeptic zone

820
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listeners can look and dance end point

821
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:24,340
and if they miss the entire show because

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they don't live at all good 80 seat time

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under the counter time that's right it's

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10:30 under the counter time UTC next

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Friday night

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or 8:30 here for those Italians see you

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then oh and why is it on Facebook look

828
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any DJ's on the live stream on Facebook

829
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:44,800
will tell you why than on Facebook Mark

830
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Zuckerberg can't dance

831
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to the publisher of uncovered the hidden

832
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:07,660
secret conspiracy secrets exposed to the

833
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:14,530
world at last in secret dear sir

834
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I am writing to you to acknowledge the

835
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delivery in a plain brown envelope of a

836
00:42:34,170 --> 00:42:29,710
copy of the above-mentioned book from

837
00:42:39,330 --> 00:42:34,180
your company I'm sure you can understand

838
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:39,340
my keenness to read this expose which

839
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:42,610
you assure me is a rare volume reflected

840
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in the price I paid of 1965 dollars my

841
00:43:02,760 --> 00:42:59,170
only concern is that as of yet I am able

842
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:02,770
to decode much of the true hidden

843
00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:05,890
messages within the book that for

844
00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:10,150
obvious reasons is heavily encrypted I'm

845
00:43:17,790 --> 00:43:13,380
note that even the title of the book

846
00:43:21,230 --> 00:43:17,800
basic cooking for dummies is also in

847
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:21,240
code no doubt a clever way of saying

848
00:43:29,580 --> 00:43:23,490
cooking the books

849
00:43:32,609 --> 00:43:29,590
however I do feel I am making some

850
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:32,619
progress I draw your attention in

851
00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:34,890
particular to Chapter three

852
00:43:43,890 --> 00:43:38,830
brilliantly entitled the secrets of

853
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:43,900
boiling eggs I cannot wait to uncover

854
00:43:51,020 --> 00:43:46,810
the layers of conspiracies government

855
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:51,030
cover-ups and finally understand the

856
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:56,170
references to setting the timer turning

857
00:44:06,649 --> 00:44:00,660
up the heat also add a pinch of salt and

858
00:44:16,439 --> 00:44:10,169
please find enclosed my check for a

859
00:44:20,659 --> 00:44:16,449
further 1960 $5 for volume 2 listed in

860
00:44:23,819 --> 00:44:20,669
your catalog under the codename of

861
00:44:35,130 --> 00:44:23,829
submarine sandwiches and other guilty

862
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:35,140
pleasures yours and the etc etc PS I am

863
00:44:54,479 --> 00:44:38,049
also confident I will soon discover the

864
00:45:00,329 --> 00:44:54,489
meaning of chapter 5 half-baked and now

865
00:45:01,180 --> 00:45:00,339
a reading from the book of Tim with Tim

866
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:01,190
Mendham

867
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[Music]

868
00:45:11,330 --> 00:45:09,300
hi this is Tim in Des Moines the editor

869
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:11,340
of Australian skeptics magazine the

870
00:45:16,849 --> 00:45:13,770
skeptic and I'm also executive officer

871
00:45:19,070 --> 00:45:16,859
for Australian skeptics today I'll be

872
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:19,080
reading from the skeptic magazine from

873
00:45:28,310 --> 00:45:24,530
March 2015 which is volume 35 number one

874
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:28,320
in the section what goes around what

875
00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:31,440
goes around goes around the story that

876
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:34,830
continues never ending with starts off

877
00:45:46,849 --> 00:45:37,920
with romance this story is about ghosts

878
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:46,859
and ghouls sex and magic ghosts and

879
00:45:51,470 --> 00:45:48,540
haunted houses feature prominently in

880
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,480
horror stories literary historian Jay a

881
00:45:56,540 --> 00:45:54,000
Curtin has defined the horror story as a

882
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piece of fiction in prose of variable

883
00:46:01,339 --> 00:45:58,830
length which shocks or even frightens

884
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:01,349
the reader or perhaps induces a feeling

885
00:46:06,290 --> 00:46:04,710
of repulsion or loathing horror stories

886
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:06,300
that are set in exotic locations

887
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:09,060
revolving around pseudo medieval castles

888
00:46:13,579 --> 00:46:11,609
dark nights lightning the supernatural

889
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:13,589
and a general eerie and frightening

890
00:46:18,589 --> 00:46:15,900
atmosphere are often referred to as

891
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:18,599
gothic horror genre or mode of

892
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:20,520
literature that combines fiction horror

893
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:23,970
and Romanticism the origin of gothic

894
00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:26,130
horror is attributed to English author

895
00:46:33,250 --> 00:46:29,220
Horace or sometimes Horatio Walpole with

896
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his 1764 novel the Castle of Otranto

897
00:46:36,910 --> 00:46:36,089
subtitled in its second edition a gothic

898
00:46:41,180 --> 00:46:36,920
story

899
00:46:42,829 --> 00:46:41,190
Walpole the 4th Earl of Orford was an

900
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:42,839
English art historian man of letters

901
00:46:48,620 --> 00:46:46,410
antiquarian and weak politician he's

902
00:46:50,359 --> 00:46:48,630
remembered for Strawberry Hill the home

903
00:46:52,820 --> 00:46:50,369
he built in Twickenham southwest of

904
00:46:55,339 --> 00:46:52,830
London where he revived the Gothic style

905
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:55,349
some decades before he is a Victorian

906
00:46:59,570 --> 00:46:57,930
successors he was the son of the first

907
00:47:01,880 --> 00:46:59,580
Prime Minister of Britain Sir Robert

908
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,890
Walpole a cousin to Lord Nelson's

909
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:03,599
grandmother's so everyone's connected

910
00:47:09,890 --> 00:47:07,680
just like this story in 1737 Walpole's

911
00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:09,900
mother died according to one biographer

912
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:12,750
his love for his mother was quote the

913
00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:15,210
most powerful emotion of his entire life

914
00:47:19,099 --> 00:47:17,640
the whole of his psychological history

915
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:19,109
was dominated

916
00:47:24,859 --> 00:47:22,410
i Walpole supposedly did not have any

917
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:24,869
serious relationships with women he has

918
00:47:29,539 --> 00:47:27,839
been called a natural celibate his

919
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,549
sexual orientation has been the subject

920
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:31,920
of speculation many contemporaries

921
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:33,930
described him as a feminist one

922
00:47:38,569 --> 00:47:35,460
political opponent called him a

923
00:47:41,539 --> 00:47:38,579
hermaphrodite horse he never married

924
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:41,549
engage in a succession of unconsummated

925
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:44,210
flirtations with unmarriageable women

926
00:47:49,370 --> 00:47:46,170
some previous biographers have

927
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:49,380
interpreted well polis a sexual engaged

928
00:47:55,339 --> 00:47:52,400
only in platonic relationships a

929
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:55,349
platonic love is a type of love that is

930
00:47:58,460 --> 00:47:55,890
chaste

931
00:48:00,920 --> 00:47:58,470
and non-sexual the term is named after

932
00:48:03,650 --> 00:48:00,930
Plato who was the first to describe this

933
00:48:05,930 --> 00:48:03,660
kind of love the original sense of the

934
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:05,940
term is examined in Plato's dialogue the

935
00:48:12,739 --> 00:48:09,119
symposium which has a topic the subject

936
00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:12,749
of love or eros generally it explains

937
00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:14,460
the possibilities of how the feeling of

938
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:17,430
love began and how it has evolved both

939
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:20,819
sexually and non-sexually of particular

940
00:48:25,309 --> 00:48:22,710
importance is the speech of Socrates

941
00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:25,319
relating the ideas attributed to the

942
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:28,380
prophetess died ultima which present

943
00:48:33,529 --> 00:48:30,720
love as a means of ascent to

944
00:48:36,829 --> 00:48:33,539
contemplation of the divine for diatomic

945
00:48:39,289 --> 00:48:36,839
and for Plato generally the most correct

946
00:48:43,749 --> 00:48:39,299
use of love of other human beings is to

947
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:43,759
direct one's mind to love of divinity

948
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:46,049
Plato himself was not always so

949
00:48:51,259 --> 00:48:48,690
accommodating to others in the symposium

950
00:48:53,809 --> 00:48:51,269
he described Magi were magicians as

951
00:48:57,069 --> 00:48:53,819
Maleficent while allowing a measure of

952
00:48:59,660 --> 00:48:57,079
efficacy as a function of the god eros

953
00:49:01,880 --> 00:48:59,670
another who criticized the Magi was

954
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:01,890
Pliny the Elder the Roman historian

955
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:04,079
natural philosopher naval and army

956
00:49:09,289 --> 00:49:06,089
commander and personal friend of the

957
00:49:12,859 --> 00:49:09,299
Emperor Vespasian in his natural history

958
00:49:14,539 --> 00:49:12,869
Pliny attacked astrology and suggested

959
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:14,549
that magic originated in medicine

960
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:16,710
creeping in by pretending to offer

961
00:49:21,289 --> 00:49:19,529
health he says that Plato wrote

962
00:49:23,569 --> 00:49:21,299
pythagoras and others traveled abroad to

963
00:49:25,549 --> 00:49:23,579
learn magic remarking that it was

964
00:49:28,460 --> 00:49:25,559
surprising anyone accepted the doctrines

965
00:49:30,529 --> 00:49:28,470
they brought back till his nephew Pliny

966
00:49:32,539 --> 00:49:30,539
the Younger was a lawyer

967
00:49:35,269 --> 00:49:32,549
author and magistrate of ancient Rome

968
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:35,279
both Pliny the Elder and younger were

969
00:49:42,499 --> 00:49:37,410
witnesses to the eruption of Vesuvius

970
00:49:45,169 --> 00:49:42,509
on August 24 79 bit ad or C II as we

971
00:49:45,799 --> 00:49:45,179
call it now during which Pliny the Elder

972
00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:45,809
died

973
00:49:50,449 --> 00:49:47,910
Pliny the Younger was considered an

974
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:50,459
honest and moderate man he rose through

975
00:49:56,059 --> 00:49:52,529
a series of imperial civil and military

976
00:49:57,919 --> 00:49:56,069
officers the cursus honorum he was a

977
00:50:00,469 --> 00:49:57,929
friend of the historian Tacitus and

978
00:50:03,469 --> 00:50:00,479
employed the biographer Suetonius on his

979
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:03,479
staff what he is less well-known for is

980
00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:05,880
that in a letter to his patron Lucia

981
00:50:11,749 --> 00:50:08,099
Sura he gave the earliest surviving

982
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:11,759
report of a haunted house a villa with a

983
00:50:17,890 --> 00:50:14,089
ghost of an old man bound with chains

984
00:50:20,620 --> 00:50:17,900
which brings us back to haunted houses

985
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:20,630
so that was what goes around from March

986
00:50:30,380 --> 00:50:22,079
2015

987
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,390
from the skeptic and you can download

988
00:50:32,989 --> 00:50:32,400
all back issues of the skeptic from our

989
00:50:35,569 --> 00:50:32,999
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990
00:50:38,370 --> 00:50:35,579
skeptics Comte you and they are

991
00:50:50,779 --> 00:50:47,349
[Music]

992
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:50,789
hi my name's Joe Thornley and I'd like

993
00:50:56,359 --> 00:50:53,369
you to join my cup I'd like you to

994
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:56,369
listen to my podcast about cults called

995
00:51:00,349 --> 00:50:58,650
zealot it's available pretty much any

996
00:51:03,319 --> 00:51:00,359
way you find podcasts with further

997
00:51:05,660 --> 00:51:03,329
reading on the zealot Facebook page each

998
00:51:07,579 --> 00:51:05,670
episode a guest joins me to talk about a

999
00:51:12,930 --> 00:51:07,589
specific cult where we answer the big

1000
00:51:24,730 --> 00:51:23,200
and does anyone think they're Jesus hop

1001
00:51:26,740 --> 00:51:24,740
over to my compound and have a listen

1002
00:51:43,099 --> 00:51:26,750
I've just mixed up a fresh batch of

1003
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:45,450
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1004
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:46,930
zone and thank you again to those

1005
00:51:51,859 --> 00:51:49,630
wonderful people who helped to pay for

1006
00:51:54,510 --> 00:51:51,869
the skeptic zone to make it possible and

1007
00:51:57,859 --> 00:51:54,520
I don't know if you're picking this up

1008
00:52:00,780 --> 00:51:57,869
exactly but just in the last week I did

1009
00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:00,790
purchase a new studio microphone I'm

1010
00:52:07,710 --> 00:52:03,369
using at the moment which to my ears

1011
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:07,720
sounds a lot better a bit better not not

1012
00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:09,730
a lot better I mean the microphones have

1013
00:52:14,250 --> 00:52:11,049
been using so far have been pretty good

1014
00:52:16,530 --> 00:52:14,260
this one's a little step up so hopefully

1015
00:52:20,789 --> 00:52:16,540
a little bit more a little bit more

1016
00:52:22,620 --> 00:52:20,799
quality listening on your end well it

1017
00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:22,630
depends what I say I guess I mean for

1018
00:52:28,650 --> 00:52:25,030
those technically-minded you can look it

1019
00:52:31,770 --> 00:52:28,660
up this is the rode nt1-a microphone

1020
00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:31,780
from Australia and I get no kick backs

1021
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,369
or freebies or anything from the road

1022
00:52:38,460 --> 00:52:35,920
people but they do make a very good kit

1023
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:38,470
indeed but anyway if it wasn't for the

1024
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:41,770
kind contributions from listeners just

1025
00:52:47,819 --> 00:52:46,030
like you not only couldn't I get the odd

1026
00:52:49,410 --> 00:52:47,829
microphone from time to time but there

1027
00:52:53,220 --> 00:52:49,420
simply would be no skeptic zone that

1028
00:52:55,710 --> 00:52:53,230
would be packed up archived forever no

1029
00:52:57,059 --> 00:52:55,720
new episodes fortunately though there

1030
00:52:59,400 --> 00:52:57,069
are people just like you who do

1031
00:53:01,440 --> 00:52:59,410
contribute so thank you very much coming

1032
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:01,450
up on next week's show some more logical

1033
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:03,130
fallacies with Michelle bicker smart and

1034
00:53:09,569 --> 00:53:07,450
I did get some lovely feedback about

1035
00:53:11,609 --> 00:53:09,579
that segment with Michelle so thank you

1036
00:53:14,849 --> 00:53:11,619
for Michelle for continuing to do that

1037
00:53:17,549 --> 00:53:14,859
and soon maybe in a couple of weeks

1038
00:53:20,670 --> 00:53:17,559
we'll do another think tank because I've

1039
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:20,680
got more feedback from the think tank we

1040
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:23,530
ran on last week's show than I have for

1041
00:53:28,859 --> 00:53:26,530
a long time which is great people really

1042
00:53:30,510 --> 00:53:28,869
enjoyed it really loved hearing dr.

1043
00:53:33,450 --> 00:53:30,520
Cassandra param and Michelle because mom

1044
00:53:35,490 --> 00:53:33,460
shall Franklin and Trish Han and me in

1045
00:53:37,230 --> 00:53:35,500
the background a little bit so we'll see

1046
00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:37,240
if we can do some more of those soon I

1047
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:39,369
think and thank you to those wonderful

1048
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,910
reporters and your thoughtful and very

1049
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:44,880
interesting comments and observations

1050
00:53:51,690 --> 00:53:48,609
during the think tank I might be chasing

1051
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:51,700
up a couple of covered stories one

1052
00:53:54,750 --> 00:53:53,530
that's come to my attention here in

1053
00:53:57,330 --> 00:53:54,760
Australia apparently at

1054
00:53:59,370 --> 00:53:57,340
certain percentage of people who refuse

1055
00:54:03,920 --> 00:53:59,380
to be tested on the basis that they

1056
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:07,590
which means that all these wacky zany

1057
00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:10,900
and laughable conspiracy theories you

1058
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:13,060
hear about can have real-life

1059
00:54:18,810 --> 00:54:16,650
consequences and damaging consequences

1060
00:54:22,140 --> 00:54:18,820
might be something worth looking into

1061
00:54:26,220 --> 00:54:22,150
and just before I go why don't you tune

1062
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:26,230
in to Maynard next Friday night here in

1063
00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:29,200
Australia at 8:30 may not is once again

1064
00:54:37,110 --> 00:54:33,940
doing live shows one man mad club he

1065
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:37,120
calls it which almost anything goes you

1066
00:54:40,980 --> 00:54:39,130
never know what to expect but it's a

1067
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:40,990
great excuse to have a beer or a wine

1068
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:43,690
sit back in front of the the Internet

1069
00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:45,970
device or stream to your TV and watch

1070
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:49,150
may not so check Maynard out at Maynard

1071
00:55:03,870 --> 00:54:55,680
com not a you or head over to Mixcloud

1072
00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:03,880
comm / Live / DJ - Maynard or some

1073
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:07,750
people say - DJ - Maynard I'll add a

1074
00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:09,280
link to this week's show notes the last

1075
00:55:15,930 --> 00:55:11,950
one he did just the other night he did

1076
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:15,940
from the bathtub so there you go but for

1077
00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:16,480
this week

1078
00:55:24,930 --> 00:55:18,670
this is Richard Saunders signing off

1079
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:24,940
from Sydney Australia you've been

1080
00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:27,010
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1081
00:55:35,490 --> 00:55:32,470
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necessarily those of Australian skeptics

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or any other skeptical organisation

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hello to the afterthoughts the people

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who tune in after the music is ended and

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this is a bit more relaxed section of

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the show where I play the dice game if

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you haven't heard it before I'm gonna

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roll a 10 sided die three times and it's

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up to you to use your psychic and mystic

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powers to look into the future which is

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the past because this is already

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recorded but it's for mates the future

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we've had this discussion before and

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guess what numbers will come up or use

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your mystic powers it's a d-10 so here

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we go I'm gonna roll it on the desk here

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I'm gonna turn my microphone up a little

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bit though get back from the mic a bit

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so in d-10 first role is on the floor

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why settle it okay here we go

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[Music]

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to write that down first number this

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week is to susan gerbic i know you're

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listening and I know you're gonna pick

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good grief well that's a coincidence

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sorry Susan it's another two sorry got

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your hopes up there for a minute you

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just have to trust me folks I always

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accurately tell you what the number is

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last number coming up hiding under the

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well how about that - it really is

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I should video these things ok turn my

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microphone down and come a bit close I

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should video these things because it

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really is and it's bound to happen every

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now and then isn't it I mean to to to

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have is the sequences likely to come up

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as one five and nine or whatever there

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you go and that's the second time and

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all these I've been doing this that the

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same numbers appeared three times

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today's winning numbers number is two